I've always been interested in art and making things, but I chose not to go to art school because I thought I needed to do something else. Art was a tough way to make a living. I've always done both. I just kind of figured that the marine biology would be a career and the art would be something I did for my own self-expression.
I was a truck driver in LA, going to City College, and I tried to sign up for a class in ceramics, but it was full. So I signed up for architecture. It was an accident.